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HELLO I AM HAVING OF QUESTIONS

Mmm I am so excited for this game to start. Srsly, like. Super-excited. to the X-TREME. because look IT'S PYRAMID HEAD.

Anyway. I do have a point to this post. As Pyramid Head will be wandering around Landel's, randomly attacking people and ... doing suspicious things to dead monsters, I need to know about your characters. Specifically, I need to know about their Guilt.

Iffin you all would be so kind, plz to be listing your character's crimes (what they ARE guilty of) and their mental crimes (what they FEEL they are guilty of). Let's use SH2 as an example: James killed his wife. He is guilty of that crime. However, he forgot he did it. Therefore, he was guilty of the action, but didn't realize it. On the other hand, let's use Dias for the mental example: his family was killed, and while he didn't do it, he feels guilty that he couldn't do anything to stop it.

In a poetic sense, it's guilt of the body and guilt of the mind.

So! If you could, please tell me those things about your characters. This'll make it easier for me to have Pyramid Head attack people when he runs into groups, because he'll automatically focus on whoever is the most guilty. OR WILL HE? His mental processes are a SEKKRIT. >O

I could research all of these myself, but, uh. I'm lazy. Also, Wikipedia doesn't have every entry. (Ever tried looking up Caim? You get demonology.)

If you don't want other players to know these things, just put your comment on Private, or whatever mode that is, so that only I/the mods can read it. Otherwise, FIRE AWAY!

(btw, Pyramid Head WILL get to everybody eventually. I SHALL SEE TO IT. >( )

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Actual Guilt: Um, some property destruction? But considering he comes from a world where most of human civilization is destroyed/dead anyway that's not saying too much. He's pretty clean in this regard.

Mental Guilt: Here's where we get to the fun stuff. Trunks feels guilt for every bad thing that's happened to the Earth ever. Well, in the last 10-15 years, at least. He feels guilty that he was unable to help Gohan fight the androids, which resulted in his death. He feels guilty for being unable to protect each and every person that's died as a result of the androids' rampage. He feels that he isn't trying hard enough--that he isn't as strong as he needs to be to protect Earth. And he feels guilty about that, too. Cell coming to the present timeline is another thing he feels especially terrible about--since it was his time machine that enabled it. Etc, so on.

Michael has killed many many many people. Like, his past is never gone into all that much, but it's clear that he has killed many many many people. He's made illicit deals with third-world dictators, paid bribes on behalf of the US, and generally gained a really terrifying reputation with all rival intelligence organizations. He's not a bad guy though, honesty. As for specific canon events, he's killed 3 people over the course of the series as far as I recall, two Nigerian thugs and another operative who forced him to murder him so that Michael would have a better negotiating position with a ring of creepy spies. He feels really bad about that one.

Actual Guilt: Lenny has murdered several people, believing they were his wife's killer. He doesn't remember any of the murders, so he feels no guilt for these.

Mental Guilt: He feels he's never doing enough to catch his wife's killer, and that he uses his condition as a crutch far too much. He'll never get over the death of his wife. :(

FIGURED I SHOULD REDO THIS, HOO It's been a while.

Dahlia:

Actual crimes? Dahlia's responsible for stealing an incredibly expensive diamond from her father, pointing the blame on an innocent man, murdering her stepsister, getting Terry Fawles to commit suicide for her benefit, attempting to murder Diego Armando, murdering Doug Swallow, and almost getting away with framing Phoenix Wright.

Mentally? She regrets nothing. 8| Well, except that she didn't get to make Mia Fey pay for sending her to jail. Aside from that, she feels no remorse for anything she's done.

Luxord:

Actual crimes: Assisting in mass genocide for the betterment of Organization XIII (and probably just his own amusement on top of that).

Mental Crimes: None. Unlike Dahlia, however, Luxord has the legitimate excuse of not having a heart and therefore being unable to feel guilt. He feels justified in the first one anyway.

Edited 2009-10-11 15:58 (UTC)

Misa:

Actual crimes? Well, there's that whole being the second Kira thing, which resulted in a whole bunch of folks dying.

Mental crimes? Misa doesn't really think what she did was wrong, since it was for a cause she felt was right. So she doesn't really feel a lot of guilt about that.

Actual Guilt: Taura's a mercenary soldier. She's killed, she's fought, she's blown things up as part of her job. She's also killed in self-defense. They also play fast and loose with intergalactic laws -- smuggling, creative finance, etc., though she's a combat specialist and only involved peripherally in that side of it.

Mental Guilt: Not over her work. She was trained from birth to be a soldier. She does feel guilt for compatriots she lost on missions, people she wasn't able to save, etc.

Actual Guilt: As a soldier, Rey's killed plenty of people. He also manipulated his best friend, and supported a man who caused a world-wide war to go on for longer than it could've, believing that they were justified.

Mental Guilt:: Whoo boy. Rey feels incredibly guilty over killing Durandal, the aforementioned man, who basically raised him and was almost everything to him. It was for the sake of the world, and he knows that, but he still hated what he did to the point where he decided to die with him. This murder also caused the death of Rey's captain, Talia Gladys, who chose to die with Durandal as well.

Additionally, he's a little unsure of himself, after having been wrong for so long.

Actual crimes: Murder, blowing tanks up

Mental crimes: see above + failing to protect the people.

Actual Guilt: Being emo. Being kind of a jerk to everyone at first and for Data Draining innocent players of The World.

Mental Guilt: Probably putting his friends in danger just because he was friends with them :< Macha dying to save him. Being a jerk to people who were trying to help him. A baby grunty dying because Tsukasa couldn't get the medicine in time.

Belphegor:

Actual crimes: Mainly, he killed his elder twin brother when they were around eight years old. From then on, he worked as a mafia assassin and pretty much killed anything he was ordered to.

Mental crimes: The only thing he feels guilty about would be failing his boss at the end of the Varia arc. And even then, he's not particularly torn up about it.

Yousuke - Though he's reconciled a lot of issues with himself, he probably still carries some guilt in regards to Saki Konishi and her death. There wasn't much he could have done at the time, as they didn't know how to manage things in the TV world, but if they'd known sooner they could have. He also [spoilers - highlight to read] [/spoilers]

Actual Guilt: Aside from years of seriously planning to essentially destroy the human race, Kaworu himself hasn't done much of anything. I guess he forced a friend to kill him, though. 8D He's also the reincarnated soul of a creature (Adam) that directly and indirectly killed off half the world's population, melted the ice caps and destroyed the earth's climate. However, Kaworu doesn't really consciously remember any of that, beyond being factually informed that he is Adam.

Mental Guilt: Kaworu doesn't feel all that bad about his attempted murder of an entire species. Uh, definitely not as bad as he should. But he does feel a little guilty over almost accidentally killing Shinji Ikari, who upon entering Landel's is the only human he cares about personally. Kaworu rarely, if ever, analyzes his own actions so guilt isn't an emotion he feels very intensely. It's more like regret. Since Kaworu doesn't actively remember his "past life", he doesn't feel real guilt for what Adam did, besides thinking the event was awfully unfortunate.

Actual crimes: The successful murders of 18 people, including two children, his suicide, and the attempted murders of 21 people in total.

Mental crimes: He left his guilt behind after the first ten people, but he seems to still feel a little guilty about killing Eileen Galvin, since she reminds him of his mother. The most important thing he feels guilty about is failing to awaken his mother.

And of course, Walter is afraid of a certain red devil who made him do it.

Sechs:
Actual crimes: Sechs was cloned from Alita to be a combat android so he has killed and destroyed many opponents in battle. During the beginning of Sechs' short life; he hunted down his fellow "Alita Replicas" to gain the right to exist as an original being. In the process Sechs killed all of the Replicas except AR-11 and AR-12. He planned to kill every Replica until he could confront his Original. He failed to defeat Alita and from then on he has made no attempts at attacking the remaining clones, Elf and Zwölf. He continues to engage battle with many opponents with lethal force and no regrets.

Mental crimes: Sechs has yet to show any remorse over the deaths of his fellow clones. He regarded them as threats to his individuality so he felt killing them was completely justified. Sechs greatly enjoys combat and has been referred to as an “amoral brute” for it. He believes that battle is the only way to reveal the truth and expose hypocrisy. So far his only problem is that he still harbors the fear of being nothing but a useless, weak clone.

Note: Since Sechs has a thing for weapons, he will certainly be intrigued by Pyramid Head’s giant blade. If he could, Sechs would be no more than happy to fight Pyramid head and/or take his weapon. Of course, such actions probably wouldn’t fare too well for Sechs…xD

Edited 2009-06-13 20:02 (UTC)

Actual Crimes: A lot. Breaking and entering, murdering in cold blood, vigilantism, that sorta thing.

Mental Crimes: None, really. There may be some childhood trauma lingering but he overrides any actual guilt he might feel by justifying his actions as necessary to achieve his end goal of eradicating all scum from the face of the Earth. ~~Good luck to him.~~

Actual Crimes: She does not remember this, but: (spoilers start here, highlight to read)

Mental Crimes: A lot of guilt regarding all of the discrimination that happens in Britannia. A whole lot of Family Issues of various sorts. Otherwise not much?

Actual Crimes: Assassinated countless people over the course of his life, attempted to murder Millia Rage I don't know how many times, now runs the Assassins Guild and therefore does all the paperwork to have other people assassinate countless others.

Mental Crimes: Doesn't feel any guilt for the assassinations, unless it was an accident and he killed someone who wasn't a target (if there are any of those and, let's face it, accidents do happen, then yeah, he feels guilty as all hell for those. Killing people when it isn't a job makes him feel horrible). The old leader, Zato, dying however... Yeah, the guilt of not being able to stop that plagues him every day. 8( ~~Also feels kinda bad for destroying Jam's restaurant stand, but she sat him next to Millia and got him drunk, she should have known better. >[~~

Edited 2009-08-30 04:23 (UTC)

Actual crimes: L is guilty of a lot of things, but precisely what those things are depends on local laws where they happen, and furthermore, the acts have all been delegated to skilled pros. In his canon, we see at least breaking and entering, video surveillance, and torture in interrogation. However, how responsible he is for these things in a legal sense is up in the air, because he works with (usually above) police on an international scale, and, as your previous L-mun said, most likely has carte blanche. It's unlikely he would ever be prosecuted, for example.

Self-perceived crimes/Mental guilt: Not much. L is callous and does things mostly out of expedience and because he feels they are necessary. He wouldn't feel guilt about the deaths of people who work under him, because he did not kill them; he would be more likely to feel anger at the actual murderer, discounting his own role in putting them in the line of fire.

However, while he would not feel "guilt," per se, about a few things (B's victims, for example), he does sometimes seem to feel that a mess is his to clean up. There is some question about whether or not he was bothered by A's suicide: my guess is yes, to a small extent. Again, it's not something he would feel responsible for; it's more likely that he would feel disappointed. (This is my way of saying that I think there may have been the occasional twinge of guilt over the years, shuffled aside, but it's very minor, never troubled him much, and hasn't come to mind in a long time.)

Wow, the number of comments on this post is amazingly ridiculous now!

Beelzemon is guilty of killing Leomon, being obsessed with loading the data of Digimon he defeated, and generally being a complete jerk. He's reformed, but he acknowledges in the show "What I did is beyond forgiveness."

Teresa has killed thousands upon thousands of youma (demons basically) and feels absolutely no guilt in it as it was what she was made for, protecting humans in the process.

She is also guilty of willingly killing an entire group of human bandits after they injured the human child she'd come to care for, which is against Organization law. She was supposed to submit herself for execution after that transgression but, at the last moment, decided she wasn't ready to die yet, disabled the execution squad and fled with the human child.

Her only real mental guilt is that she had allowed herself to go soft thanks to that child, and was killed as a result.

Lunge's committed quite a few 'crimes' in the name of furthering his cases. He's blackmailed people, threatened, lied, even driven one man to suicide. He also doesn't feel a shred of remorse for any of these. As far as he's concerned, they had to be done. One thing he does feel guilty about is neglecting his family. However, he's buried this guilt as deeply down within him as he possibly can; he doesn't want the distraction of dealing with the feelings that go with it.

Actual guilt: Probably not much more than property damage thanks to her fireworks, beating up idiots for being idiots and stuff like that. Kuukaku's fairly clean!

Mental guilt: I don't think Kuukaku feels really guilty about anything. And even if she did, she probably moved on. Perhaps not being overly fond of Shinigami while her brother loved them and died as one, but since I'm taking her after Rukia apologized and telling her that she'd let it go, I don't think there's much left.

Loz has kidnapped children, beat people up, nearly killed people, and wants to help take over the world.

He feels guilty for nothing. Quite the contrary, he loves doing evil stuff and being a bully

actual guilt: killed countless people, does the bidding of the villain in his canon. constantly vying to bring pseudo-brother who's taken the ~path of good~ back to the 'dark side'
mental guilt: didn't stop pseudo-brother from killing pseudo-sister; in reality he wouldn't have been able to stop it from happening even if he had tried

Actual Guilt: Jun, in an 'alternate form' called the Joker, stole the dreams of people and basically turned them into shadows, leaving them to be forgotten by most people who knew them.

Mental Guilt: Being almost entirely responsible for the characters being thrown into the events of P2. As of his point in canon, he also feels responsible for the death of his beloved mother/older-sister figure, Maya. In addittion to that, he feels guilty for letting himself be so emotional as a child to let himself be manipulated by a wandering Lovecraftian horror. He feels guilty about a lot of stuff.

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