Fourth wall ahoy!

[vstheworld]

Hey all, Eryn here! Just letting everyone know that I will soon be introducing my newest character to Damned: Scott Pilgrim! 

[tumbleweed blows by]

Okay, I know he's not that well-known in this circle of the internet (he's big in the indie comics scene, I swear!). XD;; Regardless, I have an alert to post regarding him. Scott is a character whose canon is set very specifically on 2005 Earth (for the most part, certain rules about physics aside), and a majority of the media titles there are the same there as they are in the real world. On top of that, Scott is a pretty big geek, so he knows the canons of quite a few of the various fandoms that tend to pop up in panfandom games like this. You know what that means: potential canon puncturing. So here is the note I made about potential fourth wall stuff that I submitted with Scott's character application:

Scott Pilgrim is a character who could very easily break the fourth wall for certain other characters in Damned, most notably our pre-2005 video game-based characters. I am going to be very careful about canon puncturing, and won't ever use Scott's knowledge for nefarious purposes. I will always ask first when potentially canon puncturing.

At the moment, Scott is only canonically familiar with two specific fandoms currently at Landel's: Final Fantasy and X-Men. Here is a list of other fandoms currently in Landel's that he could conceivably be familiar with to varying degrees, but haven't been mentioned specifically in canon. It's definitely okay to ask for him to not have knowledge of any given title on this list for the sake of those who would rather not have any fourth wall breakage:

- Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
- Disney
- Dragonball Z (maybe the basics)
- Fatal Frame
- Grim Fandango
- Guilty Gear
- Gundam, pre-2005 (maybe a bit)
- Indiana Jones
- James Bond
- Kingdom Hearts (1, not 2)
- Marvel and DC comics (mainstream only)
- Mega Man/Rock Man
- Metal Gear/Metal Gear Solid
- Mortal Kombat
- Naruto (maybe the basics)
- Neon Genesis Evangelion (maybe a bit)
- Resident Evil
- Sailor Moon (maybe the basics)
- Sam & Max
- Shin Megami Tensei: Digital Devil Saga (maaaaybe)
- Silent Hill
- Star Control (maybe only a bit, since it's a PC series mainly and Scott prefers console)
- Star Ocean: The Second Story Not totally stricken, but will be careful with this one.
- Star Trek
- Star Wars
- Transformers
- Tales of Destiny
- Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
- The Wizard of Oz
- Xena: Warrior Princess (maybe a bit)
- X/1999 (maybe a bit; Scott has had dream imagery very reminiscent of this series)

If your character is from Final Fantasy or X-Men, please comment to this post and let me know what you want in terms of puncturing. Let me know whether you prefer a little, a lot, or Scott conveniently avoiding your character until he gets it in his head that he probably shouldn't go around telling people that they're fictional.

If your character is from any of the titles mentioned on the list, please comment to this post and let me know if you want puncturing or not. If you don't mind puncturing, tell me how much you're okay with. If you do mind, then I will cross your series title off this list and mark it down as something that Scott conveniently hasn't gotten around to yet. If I get conflicting answers from different characters within the same series, we can work something more specific out.

If your character's series is not on the list (and it might not be if you're new, as I don't know how many new series came up this past round of apps), but you think it ought to be, post it here and we'll talk.



EDIT: On a side note, I have a special interaction request over on the plot post that requires a fair number of people for very short threads. Reply there if you're interested!

Comments

[from-lienea.livejournal.com]

Tales of Destiny?! Seriously?!

Stahn wouldn't mind being known as a hero of sorts, definitely. ^^ And "what's a video game?" might distract him enough so the 4th wall thing goes right over his head--I wouldn't mind!

[vstheworld]

He's pretty well-versed in video games as a whole. Oldschool mostly, but some newschool too. ;)

Thanks for letting me know!

[tightsofmight]

Spidey's already had his fourth wall broken, and he's kinda tender and sore about it and he'd really appreciate it if no one would ever mention it again.

POKE HIM LIKE IT'S PILSBURY.

[vstheworld]

*POKE*

[poolcuemurder.livejournal.com]

Since Luxord and Dollie aren't applicable, I'm ttly okay with Venom getting fourth walled, though there may be some throttling if Scott brings up his mancrush on Zato. :(b Just an fyi.

[vstheworld]

Luxord could be applicable if he ever brings up anything recognizable from the first Kingdom Hearts. What say you to that?

And lol, Scott's used to being throttled. He just throttles right back. XD Anyway, sounds good! Thanks!

[scarletspeedstr.livejournal.com]

Hokay, this only affects two of mine, I think. Brainy's not exactly from a widely known canon, unless Scott is the type to REALLY like his comics. XD

With Raph, I'm totally okay with canon puncturing; since TMNT is so widely known, it was also something I addressed specifically in his app and would be interested in playing around with. :) But, there might be different versions that Scott knows? Like, comics vs movies vs original cartoon vs 2003 - ongoing cartoon... I think that's all of them...

Wally is a different matter. Uh, it'll depend on how much Scott likes his comics as to if he knows about him beyond 'The Flash is a superhero'. BUT. The Justice League SERIES (which Wally is from) did run from 2001 - 2004, so it's also possible that he knows that version? IDK, WHICH WOULD YOU THINK? I'm mostly okay with canon puncturing Wally, but with him I'd like a bit of a head's up first?

[vstheworld]

Don't worry, he's not a huge comics nerd. Games are his forte. He'll probably know the basics about the biggest Marvel and DC titles (we know he knows X-Men specifically because of the Xavier's School for the Gifted patches on his coat), but not much beyond that.

For Raph, Scott probably grew up on the older cartoon and the infamous arcade game. If he saw any of the newer one, it probably wasn't much. Either way, I'm glad to have a character who knows who he is. >:D

Same deal for the Justice League cartoon as for the 2003 TMNT - if Scott saw it, he didn't see much of it. He probably knows a bit beyond "The Flash is a superhero", but not extensive stuff. If you'd like, I can keep it to a very basic level with him, and we can discuss specifics if it comes up. :)

[boyking]

Wrong journal but:

Reno: is fully aware that he is a video game character thanks to Otacon, so you're welcome to puncture as much as you like since he's already....reconciled himself with this notion. XD;

[vstheworld]

*pfft* Well that makes things a little simpler. XD Thanks!

[moral-liberty.livejournal.com]

Kaworu has already gotten the "PS, You're a Cartoon Character" talk from Otacon, and he took it well. If anything, he may just have more questions. Soooo... feel free to have Scott say whatever comes to mind if they meet.

[vstheworld]

Awesome, thanks! :D I should like to read that thread, methinks.

[thatdamnedninja.livejournal.com]

Oh, god. Uh. I know that Maia's already given you the okay about Reno, but I'm kind of... really not into fourth walling. /)_(\ That said, it's more a "lol you're a video game character" that I'm "HAHAHA no thanks" about (though Yuffie'd just think they were nuts). Other characters knowing about her and stuff, I'd be okay with. I think. ... Is this something we need to discuss?

[vstheworld]

For now, we can probably have Scott just avoid her in person until he gets it through his thick skull that he probably shouldn't be telling people that they're fictional. After that point, he'd probably be more okay with keeping his knowledge to himself.

On his first day, they'd probably be okay talking on the bulletin since he's very likely to think that he's in the midst of playing a game. Thus, he wouldn't make reference to her being fictional in that situation. After he gets that this is real, he can conveniently skip over her posts and such for a while. That sound okay, or should we work out some further clarifications?

[runner-up-robot.livejournal.com]

Scott Pilgrim = YES
Puncturing Forte's fourth wall = VERY YES

There is the issue of Bass vs Forte, but if Scott is half the video game nerd I think he is, he'd know both names.

Just watch out for violence if he pushes any Rock-related buttons.

[vstheworld]

He's likely more familiar with the Bass name, but I'm willing to bet that he's familiar with the original names too. If there's ever somehow a crisis about this matter, the author is on LiveJournal and we can ask. XD

Awesome. I can't wait. :D

[callie-chan.livejournal.com]

Oh, wow, he knows Star Ocean: The Second Story? XD

That said, I don't mind fourth-walling in theory, but since Dias is from an underdeveloped planet that doesn't even HAVE video games, I think puncturing the fourth wall for him would take more explaining than it'd even be worth doing to get him to understand it. So I'd prefer Scott didn't confront him about it directly, although I wouldn't mind if, say, Scott told Claude and Claude then discussed it with Dias, since Claude would know how to explain it in a way that Dias might actually get. :3

Demyx, Jade, and Schuldig seem to be safe from fourth wall issues. I'll be apping Sephiroth next cycle, for the record, but we'll cross that bridge if/when we come to it. <3

[vstheworld]

I'm mainly guessing based on the game's release date and the fact that it features most of the main Star Ocean characters that someone familiar with the series in general might know. I haven't actually played the game myself. ^^;;

That sounds reasonable to me. I'll make sure that if it does come up, Scott doesn't say much beyond, "Hey, you're that dude with that sword! :D" Damned is so big that it's entirely possible they could just avoid each other until Scott stops fourth walling people altogether, too.

Demyx might still apply if he mentions something recognizable from KH1 (see Luxord up there). If you don't want fourth wall stuff for him, then the simple fix to that is just to not bring that stuff up, I guess. XD

[jokers-wildcard.livejournal.com]

*brain think-y face*

Let's see... Actually I think Harley is the only character of mine I'd be okay with this for. She'll just think he's crazy like her and everyone else in here anyway. IT'S KIND OF HARD TO BREAK HER MIND MUCH MORE. SORRY XD

So bottom line, I'm up for 4th wall breaking with Harley.

[vstheworld]

Okay, I will keep that in mind! Thanks! ^^

[laverinth.livejournal.com]

Heh.

I would imagine he knows Naruto, but depending on whether he watched the anime or read the manga he wouldn't know Sai.

Leon (SO2)... be gentle with him. He has enough to deal with just knowing some of his friends aren't from the same version of his world.

Feel free to break the fourth wall as much as you want with Callisto. She'll probably get a kick out of it.

[vstheworld]

He's not as well-versed in anime as he is in games, but he might know the basics of Naruto, yeah. Probably not enough to know who Sai is, but if Sai brings up stuff that sounds familiar, that might be enough to make him go, "Oh yeah, that sounds like that show with the ninja in the orange jumpsuit."

I'm already going to be careful with Dias, so we can add Leon to that list too. :)

It's up in the air whether Scott would know enough about Xena to know about Callisto, so we can probably play that one by ear how about. XD

[ainasiriel.livejournal.com]

What's the chance that Scott knows Final Fantasy VI?

Anyway, Celes doesn't have video games, so she'd probably think that he's actually crazy.

Miku's had her canon popped... er, punctured... er... (there's really not a nice way of saying that, is there?) by Otacon, but has mostly pushed the event from her mind. Also, if she'd probably cry all over him, so it's up to you.

Sherry... Sherry might actually kick him in the shins. :x But he's welcome to try :]

[vstheworld]

Chances are pretty damn good. Final Fantasy is probably second only to classic Nintendo in terms of stuff that the Scott Pilgrim series brings up.

It might be fun to see Scott get all freaked out and flustered over making a girl cry without meaning to, but if you'd rather keep it down, then I can hold off on him knowing about her until later on.

Good thing Scott doesn't hit girls, or he might have tried to kick her back. XD

[shamusdoggydog.livejournal.com]

I don't know how familiar you are with Sam & Max, but I guess if Scott would know Grim Fandango, he probably would've heard of Sam & Max Hit the Road as well. That could be interesting actually, since the version I'm playing has a different voice and an existent slightly different personality to the Sam in Hit the Road.

[vstheworld]

Ah yeah, how could I forget the point-and-click guys getting in this round? :D Yeah, he very well could know about him, then. He probably would boggled that he claims to be Sam while clearly not being a dog anymore, but still.

I will point out, though, that I haven't played Sam & Max, so you might have to help me if a potential puncture comes up. XD;;

[scarefaux]

Frankly, I'm surprised the Scarecrow hasn't had the fourth wall broken for him yet.

[scarletspeedstr.livejournal.com]

Aww, I'll break it for him. Don't worry, I'll be gentle~

[vayu-pavana.livejournal.com]

Digital Devil Saga wasn't all that huge, but maybe he'd know enough to recognize Gale as someone from that 'cannibal game'?

[byname-bynature.livejournal.com]

In relation to X-Men, it's cool if Scott knows Kurt, but telling him he's made up will probably break him. ; ; So knowing him is cool, fourth-wall puncturing, not so much. ._.;

And I'm surprised Star Trek isn't up there. o_o; But he can totally 4th-wall Chekov. He's dealt with AU stuff already! XD

[vstheworld]

I will keep that in mind then. I'd love for him to meet some X-Men people at some point, but if you'd rather keep away from fourth-wall puncturing, probably best to have that happen either on day one while Scott still thinks this is all just a game, or later on after he's better about not breaking people. What do you like?

And right! I will add that up there! Sorry, that list was made before all the apps started coming in. XD;; He's definitely not a Trekkie, but no self-respecting geek doesn't know at least something about Trek. I'll put it up there. Thanks!

[paint-the-lily.livejournal.com]

Gundam Seed was released pre-2005, but Gundam Seed Destiny was only released then in Japan--the dubbed version didn't come out until after, so I'm not sure what would be known and what wouldn't. I think Gundams being fictional in some worlds has already been mentioned before Rey came here, so I'm fine with that, but I'd rather him not know specifically that he's a cartoon character, since he has enough on his mind. xP

[vstheworld]

No problem! My idea was that he probably knew generally what Gundams are and what the various series are like, but he probably wouldn't be deep into the specifics. He definitely wouldn't know Rey by name specifically, so that works. :)

[herr-inspektor.livejournal.com]

Depth Charge already has potential fourth wall breakage with Tobias, so (assuming you're counting Beast Wars under TF) puncture away! He'd probably just ]< at him for a little bit and tell him he's a few biscuits short of a tea party. Same goes for Kibitoshin on the Dragonball Z front, but since he's a pretty minor character I don't know if Scott would know who he is- maybe if he brought up the dragon balls or something?

[vstheworld]

It's entirely possible that he could have watched Beast Wars, although it was shown in Canada on YTV as Beasties (oh Beasties, I remember you ♥). I don't know if he'd remember Depth Charge specifically, though. I'll admit, I didn't remember him beyond what he transformed into before you apped. XD;;

And that's pretty accurate for what he'd know about Kibitoshin - pretty much zilch. He'd know what dragon balls are and who Goku is, and maybe some details beyond that, but not extensive stuff.

[no-ones-son.livejournal.com]

Both Jason Todd and Kon are from DC comics and aren't the most widely known characters. That said, I'm OK with them being fourth walled if Scott is enough of a comics geek to recognise them.

As for what he might know about them - Jason was only resurrected in early 2005, before that he was basically 'the dead Robin' so I'm not sure how recognisable the would be to a casual reader. (I'm actually sad he probably wouldn't be able to very specifically fourth-wall Jason about him getting voted dead as that happened in the 80's. Someone needs to do it!)

Superboy he would most likely recognise from the Teen Titans comics if he read them, only thing there is Titans Kon looks a lot different and goes by the name Conner. But he'd probably still be recognisable.

Sorry if this is too much information or too domineering or something - I don't have any problems with whatever you feel like going with, just thought it would be a good idea to share where he might have read about them since I don't expect too many people to have read their comics.

[vstheworld]

No, this is a great help! I'm not huge into superhero comics myself, so I could use the direction. :) I know for sure that Scott's biggest comics thing is X-Men, since he has the patches on his coat and he goes on at length about an X-Men plotline in volume five a couple times. Beyond that, it's kind of hard to tell what he knows and what he doesn't. Since it's so up in the air, we can go with whatever you would enjoy the most. Same for Kon. :)

[should-be-dead.livejournal.com]

Scar is already aware he's from a famous "movie" called The Lion King and what role he has played in this (lol bad guy, Scar wasn't pleased). The only thing he doesn't know yet is that he dies at the end of the movie. The only thing he knows about movies is that it tells a story.

He once even discussed the subject of fourth walling in general with another character (Mello), and he's also aware that there is a likely possibility that every patient in Landels is a fictional character.

Oh, he also knows there's apparently another version of his world thanks to threading with Sora and Luxord. o/

He isn't very eager to discuss his own case, however. He pushed it to the back of his mind and generally doesn't think about it unless he meets a new person that acts a bit weird once they hear his name or something. He won't like discussing the subject, but he's up for fourth-wall poking.

All my other characters seem safe from Fourth Walling. ^^

[vstheworld]

Interesting! I didn't know what the extent of Scar's knowledge about his source material was. That's good stuff to know. Thanks for all that! Everything up there sounds fine!

[thirdboywonder.livejournal.com]

I don't mind if you fourth-wall Tim. He's canonically aware that there are other versions of his world, and there is a panel in the Flash comics that talks about heroes being written in comic books, etc. He can handle it.

(I figure Robin is mainstream enough.)

[vstheworld]

Sure thing! Will keep that in mind! ^^

[justanimpulse.livejournal.com]

I don't have any problem with fourth-walling, but if Scott doesn't know much about the Flash beyond "he goes fast" then he probably doesn't know Impulse from Adam. ^^;

[vstheworld]

Sorry, I worded it weirdly up there. He probably knows more about the Flash beyond "he goes fast", just not extensive details of the series. Either way, I'm going to say that Impulse is safe. :)

[brooklynisangry.livejournal.com]

All of mine are from franchises that have been around since before 2005.

TK-622's a stormtrooper, canonically around the events of the original Star Wars. Knights of The Old Republic was released in 2003, and HK-47 is from there. Which is part of Star Wars continuity anyway.

Lord Recluse is from City of Villains, which was released in October, 2005. However, the companion game, City of Heroes, which is set within the same universe, has been out since 2004.

Lastly, my new guy, Beelzemon! Digimon has been around in various forms since 1997. The TV show started in 1999, and the season Beelzemon is from, Digimon Tamers, came out in 2001.

So, any of those that you think Scott might know, it's totally fine to drop the fourth wall on them! All except for Beelzemon have had it happen to them before anyway.

[eternity_dreams]

I'm gonna thread hop and add mine here. Renamon's from the same series, so if Digimon is applicable, that works. She already had someone tell her she's from a children's cartoon anime, so she's decently okay with it. Prolonged explanations, however, will involve ignoring or neutral hostility. XD

[see-my-back.livejournal.com]

I don't have any problems with him knowing a little about the Naruto series. Sakura's a pretty basic character, in the primary team, though in the beginning of series, she kind of fails pretty hard. ^^;;;;;; UM. So if he wants to mention that and get himself pummeled by the not-so-weak-as-she-was-before Sakura... that could also be fun. XD

[vstheworld]

That could be even more fun considering Scott doesn't hit girls unless absolutely extremely holycrapI'mgonnadie necessary. XD But yeah, as I told Sai-mun I don't even know if he would know the series or not, so he might not even know Sakura's name. My guess is he would know the series on an "it's that thing with the ninja in the orange jumpsuit" level.

He did manage to beat a female half-ninja recently, if that interests you. ;)

[high-prosecutor.livejournal.com]

OK. I'm just gonna run it down for the characters whose canons were released in one way or another before 2005.

The first three Ace Attorney/Gyakuten Saiban games were all released in Japan on the GBA, in 2001, 2002, and 2004, and the remake of the first game for the DS was released in the US as Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney in October 2005. That said: I would very much prefer for the fourth wall not to be punctured for Edgeworth, or even knocked on too forcefully.

For Misa: Death Note started in 2004. The first four volumes were all released in Japan in 2004 and were likely scanlated not long after before their English release began in 2005. But this is another case where I would prefer for the fourth wall not to be broken or punctured.

And finally, Endrance. His situation is complicated. The original four .hack games were released before 2005. He was in those games, but as a different character, named Elk. The GU games - the later sequels - weren't released until 2006. So. If you crack at him that he's from a game or looks like someone from one, he's just going to laugh it off.

[vstheworld]

Ace Attorney: Yeah, I thought about that before apping him and decided against having him know what they are. The first North American game came out too late in the year for him to know about it, and he's not big into the import games, so I'll say he doesn't know Gyakuten either. Besides, he has enough series on his plate without potentially puncturing one of the largest casts in Damned. XD

Death Note: I've been informed by someone in the know that Knives Chau, a girl Scott dated briefly and then hung out with as a friend later on, might know about Death Note, but I doubt he heard enough from her to know specific details of the series. I'll just say he vaguely knows what the premise of the series is, so vaguely that if details he recognized ever came up (which it probably won't), he probably wouldn't be able to describe his knowledge very clearly

.Hack: see my reply to Haseo. I'm going to conveniently say that he's not familiar with the .hack series. At most, he'll know the premise enough so that it sounds like he knows about The World the same way that the .hack characters themselves know it, but he won't know any specific stuff about it.

TL;DR: You're mostly safe! ^^